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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

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  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  "It may not be PC, but on average human life improved in North America after Columbus"

  Yes every European settler's human life improved. Unfortunately, the lives of those that were abused and killed by those settlers can't make that claim.

  Believe me, I don't have an issue with history as it unfolded. I am not Indian, nor European. I am a mixture of Middle Eastern, Spaniard and American Indian. And I don't give a f*&k about any ancestry. What troubles me is the Eurocentric narrative of history of the American continent.
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

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  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  "All this "Columbus was a bad person" crap assumes the Indians were nice to begin with"

  I don't think I have made a single reference to Columbus being bad. It's up to the people in his time and place to make that call (Europe 15th century); same goes for the Indians. All I am saying is that he is overrated in a time where great ideas matter more than navigation skills.
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

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  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  never a jw

  • "Why [MLK]?"

  Because it's not just a matter of deeds. It's intentions that matter even more. Columbus was not interested in spreading freedom and equality for all. Such idea didn't exist yet in his time. MLK advocated and defended precisely that, freedom and equality for all.

  • "He was a Republican"

  David Duke and Richard Spencer are Republicans too. Therefore what
  

  • "His deeds were related to a US segment of the population"

  Yes, a segment of the population that has been screwed since time immemorial. Columbus affected the entire world, mainly the segment of the population was already at the top of the heap and open the doors to that group to intensify the use of black slaves. Columbus helped indirectly with the abuse and exploitation of the segment of the population that MLK helped in their final quest for true freedom and equality.
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

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  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  MLK, hands down. I wouldn't be very enthusiastic about creating a holyday for him though. Kids need to stay in school a little longer. Government employees too need to try a little harder to earn those fat pensions that are bankrupting every government in the world.
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. current

  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  never a jw

  "I view Columbus in the same light as Lewis and Clark"

  I guess we agree after all.
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. current

  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  never a jw

  "maybe 'a brave and skilful explorer' deserves a monument?"

  Why not, a little one. But Columbus Day? That's a whole different story that needs revising.
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. current

  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  never a jw: You seem to be arguing for statues of perfect people or, no statues

  No Simon. I just think that Columbus is overrated. He comes from an era when might was right. And he certainly increase the might of many European nations. Today I rather see statues of people who have made great contributions to humanity. Take Alexander Fleming for example. His discovery deserves far more credit than Columbus' and I yet have to see statues of Fleming or anyone celebrating Fleming's day.
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. current

  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  never a jw

  @Hecce
  

  "this Continent eventually became quite different from the European ancestors and in some respects I think that it has produced most of the rights and liberties associated with modern society."

  True. That's why we credit the founding fathers of the U.S. and the French enlightenment and the English philosophers. Great ideas matter much more than braving the Atlantic. Put Columbus where he belongs: a brave and skillful explorer, nothing more. He didn't discover anything new, nor did he contribute to our freedoms and modern values. Those freedoms and values are the legacy of great European minds, but Columbus was not among them
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. current

  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  @hothabanero

  "I think part of the reason the radical left are so crazy about painting ancient figures as racist

  It has nothing to do with Columbus being racist or not, it has to do with his contributions to advancing humanity. Columbus skill as better than average explorer/navigator should be recognized, but that's it. He made no contributions to make the world a better place. Instead he opened the door to the destruction and exploitation of humans by other humans. Not necessarily his fault.

  Columbus merit is the same as that of many other brave explorers of whom most people never heard.
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. current

  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  never a jw

  @freemindfade

  "Christopher Columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block"

  Why not? He didn't discover America. Did he? Wasn't there a bunch of Indians here already? Wasn't there some viking here in America before Columbus?

  Just like changing religion or any other tradition, as our values and knowledge change, we have to review our list of heroes.

  I am all for getting rid of Columbus as a hero or someone who should be memorialized? If the white supremacists or Eurocentric people want to keep, let's go at it. Make your case, using our current values and knowledge.